The Irish have anounced they are holding a referendum, meanwhile "Van Rompypumpy" stated; "In the old days, exaggerating just slightly, the European Community used to exist on one planet, and national politics on six, nine, twelve, fifteen other planets. This is over now. The debt crisis, difficult and painful as it is, brings home the fact that the Union is us," Van Rompuy told a gathering of national and EU deputies discussing economic policy across the bloc. He noted that decisions by one national parliament - be it in Germany, Ireland, Slovakia or Portugal - are now being watched all over Europe when it comes to approving tax-payer funded bail-outs or adopting deficit reduction measures."Maybe not formally speaking, but at least politically speaking, all national parliaments have become, in a way, European institutions," Van Rompuy said. I can only imagine he was smiling. EU Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso, also present at the debate, said that what was needed now in Greece was for "leaders to speak the truth and confront people with the alternatives." Fiscal stimulus is not the solution, with markets watching every move, but "smart fiscal consolidation", he said, meaning more austerity. As usual No plan B. Uncaring inept idiots. ---- Greece and Ireland can now expect lies and threats from the EU. ----This time EU leaders, forseeing the risk of an Irish referendum defeat, agreed to make the treaty legally binding once 12 of the eurozone's 17 members ratify it. That way, if Ireland is alone to reject it, the other eurozone countries can still adopt it for themselves. "Ireland traditionally has been the only EU member bound by its constitution to subject each EU treaty to a nationwide vote".....In Ireland, democracy means that if you vote 'No' in any of these referenda then the ballot will be held again and again until you feckn' well vote 'Yes'Financial crises will come and go. On the other hand, sovereignty, freedom, democracy, self-determination are simply priceless. Which will you choose Ireland? We need one country, just one country to find the moral fibre to vote no, no, NO! ---------- NO to redundancy pay for 40,000 Eurocrats.......
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Ireland can now expect lies and threats from the EU
The Irish have anounced they are holding a referendum, meanwhile "Van Rompypumpy" stated; "In the old days, exaggerating just slightly, the European Community used to exist on one planet, and national politics on six, nine, twelve, fifteen other planets. This is over now. The debt crisis, difficult and painful as it is, brings home the fact that the Union is us," Van Rompuy told a gathering of national and EU deputies discussing economic policy across the bloc. He noted that decisions by one national parliament - be it in Germany, Ireland, Slovakia or Portugal - are now being watched all over Europe when it comes to approving tax-payer funded bail-outs or adopting deficit reduction measures."Maybe not formally speaking, but at least politically speaking, all national parliaments have become, in a way, European institutions," Van Rompuy said. I can only imagine he was smiling. EU Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso, also present at the debate, said that what was needed now in Greece was for "leaders to speak the truth and confront people with the alternatives." Fiscal stimulus is not the solution, with markets watching every move, but "smart fiscal consolidation", he said, meaning more austerity. As usual No plan B. Uncaring inept idiots. ---- Greece and Ireland can now expect lies and threats from the EU. ----This time EU leaders, forseeing the risk of an Irish referendum defeat, agreed to make the treaty legally binding once 12 of the eurozone's 17 members ratify it. That way, if Ireland is alone to reject it, the other eurozone countries can still adopt it for themselves. "Ireland traditionally has been the only EU member bound by its constitution to subject each EU treaty to a nationwide vote".....In Ireland, democracy means that if you vote 'No' in any of these referenda then the ballot will be held again and again until you feckn' well vote 'Yes'Financial crises will come and go. On the other hand, sovereignty, freedom, democracy, self-determination are simply priceless. Which will you choose Ireland? We need one country, just one country to find the moral fibre to vote no, no, NO! ---------- NO to redundancy pay for 40,000 Eurocrats.......
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The ISDA (International Swaps and Derivatives Association) will hold a meeting at 11am on Thursday to decide if the Greek debt swap will be a CDS trigger. If a "credit event" has occurred then some Greek bondholders could be in line for an insurance pay-out. The head of CRH, one of Ireland's largest companies, has spoken to Reuters and warned that a referendum on Europe's new fiscal treaty could distract the country from driving growth in its economy.
Well, I must admit I do like the idea of a Constitutional Republic.
As the fledgling USA was (before the european bankers corrupted her government you understand in 1913).
It promotes small government.
A state in which not even 99% can tell the 1% how to live their lives.
Each is free to do exactly as they wish, as long as they do not either hurt others or their property.
There is no income tax to be paid on wages.
It promotes personal freedoms (liberty) and property rights.
It has an honest system of money.
Now were the US to have actually continued to follow the Constitution, they would now not be in the mess they are now in.
Especially where money is concerned.
As it clearly states in the Constitution, that only coins coined using gold and silver can be used las egal tender in the US.
A law that the banksters when they took her over gradually worked to make obsolete.
In order to exert more control through the indebtness of the government/people.
Best wishes.
I've been reading and replying to posts since it became public that Ireland was to hold a referendum on the fiscal compact some hours ago.I assume that a lot of you are UK nationals (as i am..although Irish by birth)
Snide remarks will gain you nothing..the Irish people will vote on what suits them best,and that's how it should be.
If you want to have a go...try the UK government..at least the Irish citizens have a choice.
Quite right. And it is NOT a referendum on whether they should have gone into the Euro in the first place, or whether or not they like the present austerity (because they will get that whatever happens, although the timing and depth may vary). What we think is right for them is neither here nor there. They have to choose as best they can the lesser of two evils
Diarrhea of the mouth, constipation of ideas , eh..?
Stick in your Pommy gullet,does it, that the Irish can exercise their democratic right by voting in referenda, and you cannot..?
"Fighting Britain was a good craic"
D'you mean getting of our Nazis and giving them a good dose of their own medicine 'was a good craic' ?
Yea, you're right.... it was.....!
Louise Armitstead reports:
The Bundestag voted through the rescue funds with a large majority. But Ms Merkel was shown tough political and public opposition to any more support, just a day after the G20 demanded German backing for the eurozone firewalls.
Standard & Poor’s said it had put the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF), the “big bazooka” tasked with raising the bail-out funds, on negative outlook. The rating agency said the fund’s profile was weaker since some of its guarantor countries were stripped of their AAA ratings.
I guess we will now get to see whether the modern Irish people value their independence, Sovereignty and Democracy and even understand anymore why their forefathers fought the UK for generations to get their freedom.
In a few short decades they have surrendered much to the EU - will they surrender complete control over their economy and fiscal policy to Brussels.
The first thing to go, once the ink is dry, will be their low level of Corporation Tax. And shortly afterwards, those international businesses who are based in Dublin will start looking around for a better haven.
Speaking ahead the European Council meeting, the Chairman of the largest and most influential political Group within the European Parliament, Joseph Daul said:
"The financial crisis and its consequences put European unity to an unprecedented test. Yet, we experience how much we need unity, how much we depend on each other. We have all made great efforts to re-establish trust in the solvency of those Member States in trouble. Thanks to the leadership of the our EPP representatives at the helm of the European Council, European Commission and European Parliament we can say now that Europe is on the right track.
We still need to do more. First, we have learned that we cannot buy growth with debt any longer. We need to do more to create the conditions for our longer term prosperity, to prompt the most needed reforms, stability and sustainable growth. We all agree on the importance of taking the right decisions for our future growth and competitiveness. I welcome the common letter signed by a majority of EPP Government leaders proposing different actions to restore European citizens' confidence in Europe's ability to deliver strong and sustainable growth. But most of its proposals have already been proposed and accepted in the framework of the 2020 Strategy, and we still expect that the Member States fulfil them!
These proposals and tomorrow's decisions at the European Council must be transposed in strong actions as soon as possible. The EU needs quick and bold concrete actions.
The EPP Group strongly believes that growth and jobs will only be achieved in a sustainable way through competitiveness, enforcing the single market, less bureaucracy for entrepreneurs and support of SMEs.
We all know, our citizens know, that there is no magic wand, no instant solution to our common problems, and the Socialists should be honest enough to admit this reality, instead of refusing, like they just did in France, to support the European Stability Mechanism.
We, the EPP Group, plead for solidarity and responsibility, and we believe that all those who want to endorse the idea that there are easy ways out are simply irresponsible. The time has come to work together to deliver the so much wished for prosperity."
"Die Finanzkrise und ihre Folgen stellen die europäische Einheit vor eine beispiellose Probe. Trotzdem merken wir, wie sehr wir die Einheit brauchen, wie sehr wir aufeinander angewiesen sind. Wir alle haben große Anstrengungen unternommen, um das Vertrauen in die Zahlungsfähigkeit von den Mitgliedstaaten, die in Schwierigkeiten sind, wiederherzustellen. Dank der EVP-Vertreter an der Spitze des Europäischen Rates, der Europäische Kommission und des Europäischen Parlaments, können wir jetzt sagen, dass Europa auf einem guten Weg ist.
Wir müssen aber noch mehr tun. Zuerst mussten wir lernen, dass man Wachstum nicht mehr mit Schulden kaufen kann. Wir müssen mehr tun, um die notwendigen Reformen für Stabilität und nachhaltiges Wachstum zu veranlassen. Wir sind uns alle einig über die Notwendigkeit, die richtigen Entscheidungen für unser zukünftiges Wachstum und Wettbewerbsfähigkeit zu treffen. Ich begrüße den gemeinsamen von der Mehrheit der EVP Staats- und Regierungschefs unterschriebenen Brief, der verschiedene Maßnahmen vorschlägt, damit das Vertrauen der Menschen in die Fähigkeit Europas zu starkem und nachhaltigem Wachstum wiederhergestellt wird. Aber die meisten Vorschläge wurden bereits vorgeschlagen und im Rahmen der 2020 Strategie angenommen, und wir erwarten immer noch, dass die Mitgliedsstaaten diese umsetzen!
Diese Vorschläge und die morgigen Beschlüsse des Europäischen Rates müssen so schnell wie möglich in Taten umgesetzt werden. Die EU braucht jetzt schnelle und mutige konkrete Maßnahmen.
Die EVP-Fraktion ist der festen Überzeugung, dass Wachstum und Beschäftigung nur durch Wettbewerbsfähigkeit, Durchsetzung des Binnenmarktes, weniger Bürokratie für Unternehmer und Unterstützung von kleinen und mittleren Unternehmen in einer nachhaltigen Art und Weise erreicht wird.
Wir alle wissen, unsere Bürgerinnen und Bürger wissen, dass es kein Wundermittel, keine Sofortlösung für unsere gemeinsamen Probleme gibt und die Sozialisten sollten ehrlich genug sein, diese Realität einzusehen, anstatt sich zu weigern, wie sie dies in Frankreich getan haben, dem Stabilitätsmechanismus zuzustimmen.
Wir, die EVP-Fraktion, plädieren für Solidarität und Verantwortung. Es ist unverantwortlich, so zu tun, als gäbe es einfache Lösungen. Die Zeit ist gekommen, zusammenzuarbeiten, um den so sehr gewünschte Wohlstand zu erreichen."
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